I tried. I really did. But, I abandoned The Savage Detectives on page 216. The first part grabbed me, at least better than the second part which had more or less random people giving snippets of their encounters with the central characters. Part One tells of Juan Garcia Madero, a seventeen year old poet relating his escapades with the two "visceral realists", Arturo Belano and Ulises Lima, who walked into his literature class one day. He is entranced by them, as any seventeen year old would be, but that doesn't make them any different than others who entrance him. Especially the Font family with daughters Maria and Angelica. Or, any other female for that matter.
When I heard the word savage in the title, I assumed it mean savage as in fierce. I didn't equate it with savage as in undisciplined. I found it impossible to continue with a novel containing characters for whom I have neither respect nor interest. Reading about life in the '60s and '70s, the wild antics of teens who know no boundaries and have no goals, reminds me too much of the fools with whom I went to school. What's so noteworthy about the lost souls of a few troubled decades?
I do respect that this is considered one of Bolano's greatest oeuvres (although I far preferred Monsieur Pain and I'm very much enjoying The Third Reich). I do respect that he is paying homage to Latin America and avant garde poetry. I did find great interest in this particular passage:
Joaquin Font, El Reposo Mental Health Clinic, Camino Desierto de los Leones, on the outskirts of Mexico City DF, January 1977. There are books for when you're bored. Plenty of them. There are books for when you're calm. The best kind, in my opinion. There are also books for when you're sad. And there are books for when you're happy. There are books for when you're thirsty for knowledge. And there are books for when you're desperate. The latter are the kind of books Ulises Lima and Belano wanted to write. A serious mistake, as we'll soon see. Let's take, for example, an average reader, a cool-headed, mature, educated man leading a more or less healthy life. A man who buys books and literary magazines. So there you have him. This man can read things that are written for when you're calm, but he an also read any other kind of books with a critical eye, dispassionately, without absurd or regrettable complicity. That's how I see it. I hope I'm not offending anyone. Now let's take the desperate reader, who is presumably the audience for the literature of desperation. What do we see? First: the reader is an adolescent or an immature adult, insecure, all nerves. He's the kind of fucking idiot (pardon my language) who committed suicide after reading Werther. Second: he's a limited reader. Why limited? That's easy: because he can only read the literature of desperation, or books for the desperate, which amounts to the same thing, the kind of person or freak who's unable to read all the way through In Search of Lost Time, for example, or The Magic Mountain (a paradigm of calm, serene, complete literature, in my humble opinion), or for that matter, Les Miserables or War and Peace. Am I making myself clear? Good. so I talked to them, told them, warned the, alerted them to the dangers they were facing. It was like talking to a wall. Furthermore: desperate readers are like the California gold mines. Sooner or later they're exhausted! Why? It's obvious! One can't live one's whole life in desperation. In the end the body rebels, the pain becomes unbearable, lucidity gushes out in great cold spurts. The desperate reader (and especially the desperate poetry reader, who is insufferable, believe me) ends up by turning away from books. Inevitability he ends us becoming just plain desperate. Or he's cured! And then, as part of the regenerative process, he returns slowly-as if wrapped in swaddling cloths, as if under a rain of dissolved sedatives-he returns, as I was saying to a literature written for cool, serene readers, with their heads set firmly on their shoulders. This is what's called (by me, if nobody else) the passage from adolescence to adulthood. And by that I don't mean that once someone has become a cool-headed reader he no longer reads books written for desperate readers. Of course he reads them! Especially if they're good or decent or recommended by a friend. But ultimately, they bore him! Ultimately, that literature of resentment, full of sharp instruments and lynched messiahs, doesn't pierce his heart the way a calm page, a carefully thought-out page, a technically perfect page does. I told them so. I warned them. I showed them the technically perfect page. I alerted them to the dangers. Don't exhaust the vein! Humility! seek oneself, lose oneself in strange lands! But with a guiding line, with bread crumbs or white pebbles, and yet I was mad, driven mad by them, by my daughters, by Laura Damian, and so they didn't listen." (p. 185)This is one of my favorite passages, ironically penned by a man within an asylum. But, it was simply not enough to cause me to continue, laboriously, through a book I found with little or no meaning to my life. Richard gave me permission to abandon it if it didn't work for me. So begging his forgiveness, I threw in my towel, frustrated with my failed attempts to appreciate The Savage Detectives.
(There will be many more thoughts about this book throughout the weekend, but I'll be in Florida and unable to update my post with fresh links or respond to comments left here. For now, let me link to Caroline's from Beauty is a Sleeping Cat.)

I'm only a bit more than halfway through it now myself (and racing to finish!), but it did take me quite a long time to get into the second part; the fragmentation really killed my momentum for a while. But I'm generally enjoying it. I loved the passage you quote above!
ReplyDeleteNicole, once I sat down with Part 1 I really enjoyed it. His narrative was wonderful and true. The fragmentation in Part 2 was a kiss of death for me. Skipping around from one random character to another just didn't work for this reader.
DeleteI'm glad the passage I quoted pleased you, too. There were aspects of the book which were quite enjoyable, I guess I just didn't like it as a whole.
Life is too short to stick with a book that yup don't like. Good for you for not finishing it!
ReplyDeleteAbandoning books I'm not enjoying is an acquired skill for me, Kathleen. It's still not something I'm entirely comfortable doing!
DeleteYour reaction is very welcome as this novel can really divide readers. There's something about that quote from Joaquin Font that captured Bolano's own writing credo. In a way, he was not after a calm page. He didn't consider the books and writers mentioned as his literary models.
ReplyDeleteThis is only my second foray into Roberto Bolano's work. I was quite intrigued by Monsieur Pain, but have since abandoned not only this book, but The Third Reich as well.
DeleteI haven't read enough of him to be able to note what he captures. Still, I appreciate the exposure you (and Richard) have brought me to his writing. He's not an author I'd have picked up on my own, and sadly, he still remains a bit of a mystery to me.
Thanks for the link Bellezza and yes that's pretty much how I felt. It didn't speak to me. The quote is great but still...
ReplyDeleteYours was the first review I read, Caroline, and it interested me that we felt similarly about it. Whenever I don't particularly care for an author I think, "Is there something wrong with my literary knowledge?" So, it assuages my feelings to know I'm not entirely alone.
DeleteI think you knowy opinion of this,book, so I won't go on, beyond saying enjoy yourself in Florida and thanks for giving it a try
ReplyDeletePS Happy Birthday for the 30th.
Hmmm, I can't say I'm entirely sure of your opinion Parrish, other than appreciating Bolano's writing more than I did.
DeleteAnd, thank you for the birthday wishes on the 30th!
While I liked this book much more than you did, I didn't finish it either. I did keep it though. I think it's one of those books I'll have to attempt more than once before I fall for it.
ReplyDeleteC.B., I wonder if I'll try yet a third time...can't say for sure right now.
DeleteI think my favorite word within your favorite paragraph is "insufferable".
ReplyDeleteEnough said, perhaps.
I'm not quite sure where I said 'insufferable' but now that you mention it, Linda, that does seem an apt word for my review/opinion of this work. (Wouldn't one word reviews be an interesting thing to write?!)
DeleteOh! The "insufferable" was from the long quotation from page 185 - not your word, but the author's!
DeleteLove the thought of one-word reviews, perhaps as an accompaniment to more complete pieces.
Yeah, couldn't do it. I just have a feeling.
ReplyDeleteAndi, I'm assuming you've not read Bolano before? If not, may I suggest not starting with this one? :)
DeleteKudos to you for not finishing if you didn't like it. Maybe another time (the first time I read it, it took me ages. I enjoyed it much, much more as a - partial - re-read).
ReplyDeleteI'm having similar problems with Augusto Roa Bastos's "Yo el Supremo", which I've been dragging along for at least half a year. I just can't get into it and keep abandoning it and then taking it up again. Unfortunately, I'm very stubborn and won't give up, even if it means suffering for months ;). Perhaps it's time I took a page out of your book and just let go.
Bettina, thanks for visiting and expressing your thoughts. I, too, often struggle through a book no matter what the cost. In fact, that's what I always do until the past year or so. Now I'm giving up stubborn determination in favor of the the plethora of books I want to read which I feel will hold more promise for my reading joy.
DeleteSorry to hear that.. I was going to read along too but got sidetracked again, as usual, but will read it soon.. Hope you had a wonderful time during the holidays. I only recently read your message in the comments, thanks so much. xx
ReplyDeleteClaire, how fun that you've started a new site on Tumblr! Now I just have to figure out how to leave a comment there, or as far as I can tell what they call a Note. :)
DeleteThe only way you can comment there I think is by pressing on the Ask button and messaging me. :) I'll try tumblr for now because it allows me to just blog on the go and takes no time at all.. we'll see.. you know me heheh. Missed you a lot!
DeleteMissed you, too. Secretly hoping you'll come back to WordPress or Blogger because Tumblr confuses me. Although, on my practice blog which I set up a year or so ago, I can see that it's possible to add a comment option through Disqus. Super easy! I like how you explore all the platforms for your blog.
DeleteCompletely unrelated, but I had to stop by and wish you a very happy birthday! I hope you have a lovely day, Bellezza. xoxo
ReplyDeleteLes, it means a lot to me to have you stop by with well wishes. Plus, I see a card from you on the counter which I'll open up tonight with my cup of tea. XO
DeleteI'm sorry you didn't appreciate this, Bellezza, but I'm glad you at least gave it a try. You and I must have completely opposite tastes on Bolaño, though, because his The Third Reich is the only book by him I didn't enjoy (I think there was a reason he never approved it for publication in his lifetime). If you have the time, I'd love to hear about whether you disliked this more for the storytelling style or the content or both equally. That wasn't entirely clear to me from your post. Cheers!
ReplyDeleteAn interesting question, Richard, about whether I disliked it more for the style or the content. I would have to say that my first response leans toward the content. I'm not much of a poet (let alone a visceral realist ;), and so right off the bat I find little in common with our "hero"...that, combined with his male psyche, and Cuban background, had me floundering for a connection. I guess the storytelling capped it all off, which I found very disjointed style. Still, as I said to Rise, I do appreciate the introduction to authors outside of my usual venue.
Deletep.s.s. I have since abandoned The Third Reich as well. That story was going no where fast. Just some dumb German guy into pretend war games on the beach with his love...ad nauseum. ;)
DeleteI wanted to participate, but work just got in the way for me. I am reading the book now, and plan to go back and look at all the comments! Hope you are enjoying Florida!
ReplyDeleteAnd Happy Birthday, since it looks like I missed it! Baci! xoxo
Col, I hope that you fare better in your reading than I! Thank you for the birthday wishes, and I'll be sure to be around to visit soon. I feel very separated from my blogging friends!
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